Wow, if you didn't think they were crazy...

[Gotch]

I think the more salient point that I took from what sup-rbeast implied in that comparison is that yes--the Muslim extremists throughout history have been violent via Al-Quaida. What gets overlooked is that our domestic terrorists (and they do assuredly exist) used to only be in fragmented cells throughout the country. This Tea Party deal is only serving to give them a vehicle to mobilize their terrorism and an excuse to carry out terrorist activities against the government.

The things like what Palin did recently are looked at as crazy/laughable by some, but domestic terrorists throughout the country see it as a call to arms, their chance to overtake the federal government. Not only that, but it's justified in their eyes, because people like Beck/Limbaugh/Palin/etc are all cultivating fear & hate against Obama b/c they claim he's a Muslim, they claim he's a communist...there's even some that claim he's the Anti-Christ. By proxy, this puts anyone who supports Obama or the government in danger of attack from these people.

So, yes--the number of deaths is egregiously low for Tea Party activists compared to radical Muslim/Al-Quaida activity--the numbers back that up 100%, no argument from me there. The thing that should worry us all, is that if this Tea Party movement keeps up, those numbers may not be so skewed for long. We'll see more Tim McVeigh's and Scott Roeder's if we're not careful.

I understand and to some degree share your concern. However, I believe time will prove that these fanatics on the right are much more about tough talk than actual acts of violence. We might see a few random acts of serious violence but I doubt if there will even be that. Only time will tell, but I'm am extremely confident that real acts of violence will not occur on a wide spread basis.

[Counts]

You may be 100% right however i get the feeling that the Dems are tring to marganalize the tea party movement and put it into the box that they want it to be in.....It was a tatic that worked GREAT duing the 08 election

That being said The Reps are no better both groups are useing the same playbook so to speak and it works GREAT (which is why both sides use it)

But it is all smoke and mirrors the truth is that if the economy is doing better the Dems will win easly if not the Reps could be back in control.

[CoeburnCane]

I understand and to some degree share your concern. However, I believe time will prove that these fanatics on the right are much more about tough talk than actual acts of violence. We might see a few random acts of serious violence but I doubt if there will even be that. Only time will tell, but I'm am extremely confident that real acts of violence will not occur on a wide spread basis.

It's possible that the bulk of the movement could be more tough talk than action, but as I said, I'm of the belief and concern that it's not going to take many more triggers from the Tea Party group's rhetoric to spark someone in the domestic terrorist faction of our country to make another Oklahoma City bombing happen. It's not the Tea Party per se, it's moreso the crazies that they could set off. It's almost to the point now where I wake up expecting it to be in the news. I'm concerned about it, but it wouldn't shock me one bit if it does indeed happen, and soon.

We share the same concern (which I'm glad to see), but we differ greatly on how close the threat is of something like this occuring.

[sup-rbeast]

LOL, Ad-hominem ramblings aside, you have shown yourself to have no real argument other than "I hate Israel" and Muslims killing other Muslims don't count" and "Christians are evil*****pointing finger at 5 hundred year old skeletal remains*****"

I believe we are done.........

I never said any of those things..those are your words. I don't hate Isreal, I just think they are the reason we can't achieve peace in the Middle East...and I don't hate Christians as most all of my relatives are Christian. But that doesn't I can't reason and see faults. Really, that's like me saying your only argument is "I hate Muslims, in part because I'm narrow minded, in part because I have a hard time thinking for myself, and in part because I'm afraid of them because I'm not familiar with them".. If that's all you got from my post you might want to go back to elementary school and work on your comprehension skills. Still I stand by my original post...IMO many of the individuals who associate themselves with the Tea Party could very easily turn to participating in what amounts to terrorist activities against AMERICAN CITIZENS...after all they have members of the KKK in their ranks and we already know their track record. Mix their ideas with their ignorance, and you have an explosive situation.

[sup-rbeast]

I think the more salient point that I took from what sup-rbeast implied in that comparison is that yes--the Muslim extremists throughout history have been violent via Al-Quaida. What gets overlooked is that our domestic terrorists (and they do assuredly exist) used to only be in fragmented cells throughout the country. This Tea Party deal is only serving to give them a vehicle to mobilize their terrorism and an excuse to carry out terrorist activities against the government.

The things like what Palin did recently are looked at as crazy/laughable by some, but domestic terrorists throughout the country see it as a call to arms, their chance to overtake the federal government. Not only that, but it's justified in their eyes, because people like Beck/Limbaugh/Palin/etc are all cultivating fear & hate against Obama b/c they claim he's a Muslim, they claim he's a communist...there's even some that claim he's the Anti-Christ. By proxy, this puts anyone who supports Obama or the government in danger of attack from these people.

So, yes--the number of deaths is egregiously low for Tea Party activists compared to radical Muslim/Al-Quaida activity--the numbers back that up 100%, no argument from me there. The thing that should worry us all, is that if this Tea Party movement keeps up, those numbers may not be so skewed for long. We'll see more Tim McVeigh's and Scott Roeder's if we're not careful.

At least someone on here can reason....Furthering my point, on Monday a poll (which I believe was from Fox) showed that of those that responded, 1 in 4 of those who identify themselves as Republicans said they believe Obama "may be the antichrist". Idiots one and all.

[Gotch]

I never said any of those things..those are your words. I don't hate Isreal, I just think they are the reason we can't achieve peace in the Middle East...and I don't hate Christians as most all of my relatives are Christian. But that doesn't I can't reason and see faults. Really, that's like me saying your only argument is "I hate Muslims, in part because I'm narrow minded, in part because I have a hard time thinking for myself, and in part because I'm afraid of them because I'm not familiar with them".. If that's all you got from my post you might want to go back to elementary school and work on your comprehension skills. Still I stand by my original post...IMO many of the individuals who associate themselves with the Tea Party could very easily turn to participating in what amounts to terrorist activities against AMERICAN CITIZENS...after all they have members of the KKK in their ranks and we already know their track record. Mix their ideas with their ignorance, and you have an explosive situation.

Holy ad-hominem cross-bred with a strawman and topped with a hearty dose of BullShiite!!!!!!!!!!

On occasion I see a post that I know was typed out by an angry person who hasn't a point but cannot admit it and just resorts to spouting personal attacks and other garbage. See above................

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after all they have members of the KKK in their ranks and we already know their track record. Mix their ideas with their ignorance, and you have an explosive situation.

You could just as well be talking about The Senat since Robert Byrd(D) was once a Klan member

[sup-rbeast]

Holy ad-hominem cross-bred with a strawman and topped with a hearty dose of BullShiite!!!!!!!!!!

On occasion I see a post that I know was typed out by an angry person who hasn't a point but cannot admit it and just resorts to spouting personal attacks and other garbage. See above................

See your own...the only person attacking anyone is you...I'm just stating the obvious.. Well, the obvious to anyone but you.

[sup-rbeast]

You could just as well be talking about The Senat since Robert Byrd(D) was once a Klan member

Robert Byrd isn't in the news for his ignorance..but y'all keep on defending these imbeciles..

House Democrats report increased threats since health care vote
By the CNN Wire Staff
March 25, 2010 10:25 a.m. EDT

Washington (CNN) -- Democratic congressional leaders Wednesday demanded Republicans join them in condemning a spate of threats and vandalism that has followed Sunday's vote on a sweeping overhaul of the U.S. health care system.

More than 10 Democrats have reported trouble since the weekend vote, House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer told reporters. Windows have been smashed at Democratic offices in at least three states, and federal agents were investigating whether a cut gas line at the home of a Virginia congressman's brother was related to the lawmaker's yes vote.

Democracy "is not about violence," Hoyer said at a news conference with South Carolina Rep. James Clyburn, the No. 3 Democrat in the House of Representatives.

"Both of us believe that to remain silent in the face of such activity gives the impression of either condoning or sanctioning such actions," added Hoyer, D-Maryland.

The top Republican in the House, Minority Leader John Boehner, told reporters that he has urged opponents to demonstrate legally.

"I've made statements that I understand people are angry, but violence and threats are inappropriate and irresponsible," the Ohio congressman said. "If people are angry, they ought to register to vote and get involved in a campaign."

The white-hot rhetoric that dominated the last several months of debate on the historic health care bill culminated in unruly protests by the Tea Party movement at the Capitol over the weekend. Three African-American House Democrats, including civil rights leader Rep. John Lewis of Georgia, reported protesters shouted racial slurs at them and spit at one of them, while Rep. Barney Frank, D-Massachusetts, an openly gay House member, had anti-gay slurs yelled at him.

One House member mentioned a map on the Facebook page of former Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin during a Wednesday meeting on safety concerns, a Democratic source said.

The map shows 20 House Democratic political targets believed to be vulnerable in the upcoming midterm elections -- some have already announced their retirements. Their home districts are marked with cross hairs. Mention of the map brought audible groans to the room, the source said.

Republican House members encouraged protesters outside and inside the House gallery, some of whom carried messages like "Vote no or else" or "If Brown won't stop it, a Browning will" -- a reference to newly elected Massachusetts Sen. Scott Brown accompanied by a silhouette of a pistol.

Since the vote, an Alabama blogger has launched a "window war" against Democrats and has kept a tally of the recent incidents of damage, including ones in upstate New York, Arizona and Kansas. A message left for Michigan Democrat Bart Stupak, whose last-minute decision to support the bill helped give Democrats the votes it needed to pass, warned that "there are millions of people across the country who wish you ill, and all of those thoughts projected on you will materialize into something that's not very good for you."

Clyburn, who is African-American, said he has received a fax in his office with a picture of a noose drawn on it and had threatening telephone calls at his home.

iReport: 'A very dangerous time for Obama'

"We're giving aid and comfort to these people, and this stuff gets ratcheted up," Clyburn told CNN. "We in this Congress have got to come together in a bipartisan way and tamp this foolishness down. It doesn't make sense. That's not what a democracy is all about."

Hoyer told a news conference that "a significant number, meaning over 10" lawmakers had reported either threats, vandalism or other incidents. Capitol police officials have briefed House Democrats on reporting suspicious or threatening activity and taking precautions to avoid "subjecting themselves or their families to physical harm," he said.

"There are millions of people across the country who wish you ill, and all of those thoughts projected on you will materialize into something that's not very good for you"
--message left for Michigan Democrat Bart Stupak

Rep. Louise Slaughter, D-New York, said her Niagara Falls district office had a brick thrown through one of its windows and a message that referred to "snipers" was left on one of her campaign offices. In a written statement, she said GOP leaders have been "fanning the flames with coded rhetoric." And Maryland Rep. Chris Van Hollen blamed Republicans for encouraging heated rhetoric over the bill.

"There's a real feeling that some of the comments from the Republican leaders and Republicans are not tamping down the fire, they are throwing fuel on the fire. And that is totally inappropriate," Van Hollen said.

But Boehner, who compared the legislation's passage to "Armageddon," said Democrats had not complained to him that Republicans haven't been quick enough to condemn the threats and vandalism.

Clyburn said his wife has forwarded the phone numbers from the calls to law enforcement agencies. Slaughter said federal agents and local authorities were investigating the threat and vandalism at her offices. And in Virginia, Albemarle County fire marshals and the FBI are looking into the slashing of a propane gas line outside the home of Rep. Tom Perriello's brother, the congressman's office said.

A Perriello aide told CNN that a line to the propane tank on the brother's gas grill had been severed after the brother's home address was posted online by a Tea Party activist. Lee Catlin, a spokesman for the fire marshal's office, said the incident "did not involve an immediate threat to occupants of the residence" but would disclose no details.

The county joined the investigation late Tuesday after a request from the FBI, Caitlin said.

"Officials are taking the incident very seriously and conducting a vigorous investigation," he said.

Conservative talk show host Glenn Beck told his radio audience Monday that Democrats who supported the bill would be remembered as "an enemy of the republic" and "an enemy to the Constitution." But he urged viewers of his Fox News television show Wednesday to avoid violence, because "radical" supporters of the Obama administration are counting on such attacks to discredit their opposition, he said.

"Not only is it completely nuts and wrong, it's exactly what they want," Beck said. He told viewers, "They are begging for it. You are being set up."

But in Kansas, Democrats in Wichita are seeking to raise money over a brick thrown through the window of the party headquarters.

"At first, we thought our office was just the object of a random act of bitter violence, but now we know that's not the case," said the Sedgewick County Democratic Party's Web site. "This attack was instigated, encouraged and directed by an ultra-right wing blogger and similar events occurred all over the country."

The Web site item asked for donations to "help us get back to work."

CNN's Deirdre Walsh, Dana Bash, Lesa Jansen and Tom Cohen contributed to this report

House Democrats report increased threats since health care vote - CNN.com

[Gotch]

See your own...the only person attacking anyone is you...I'm just stating the obvious.. Well, the obvious to anyone but you.

a person would have to be one stupid fuck to associate themselves with these people or attempt to defend them. So..come again?

but when you post something characterizing the entire following of a religion as extremist, you expose your own shortsightedness and bigotry.

But it's up to you to post what amounts to bigotry...it's your short sightedness you expose

your only argument is "I hate Muslims, in part because I'm narrow minded, in part because I have a hard time thinking for myself, and in part because I'm afraid of them because I'm not familiar with them".. If that's all you got from my post you might want to go back to elementary school and work on your comprehension skills.

We pay a person the compliment of acknowledging his superiority whenever we lie to him.
- Samuel Butler

There has been plenty of opportunity for me to get personal, but that's the difference between a zealot and a person who is confident in their position.